media interaction in icc 2009

[mclaren007]

what do u think of media interaction in icc 2009

i think u can comment on other manager ,press conference after the match

what do u think of media interaction in icc 2009

should it be there or not

[Cyril Washbrook]

If you're hoping for ICC to be turned into Football Manager overnight, you're probably going to be disappointed.

[mclaren007]

washbrook i dont icc to convert into football manager but their should be a pinch of media to make it a better game . bcoz in real life things never go so straight

[aus5892]

It won't be in this version but it's in the pipeline, as are a lot of other things.

[wilkiburger]

Please let there be stats!, at the moment there is 10 record partnerships and that is that! Its terrible. Where are highest partnerships for different forms of the game. Top ten at each wicket, highest individual scores, team scores wickets catches.. . . . . . . . . . . .the list goes on, tell me this is in the new version!

[dontask]

fines for slow over rates??? thats a bad idea, we only choose who bowls, not how fast they are to bowl an over.

[Scritty]

what do u think of media interaction in icc 2009

i think u can comment on other manager ,press conference after the match

what do u think of media interaction in icc 2009

should it be there or not


More detailed coaching would be great, but media interaction is something that even FM only put in a couple of years ago and would be way way down on my list (if on it at all).

I can't select that one, because I support one half of the option but couldn't care less about the other (and think supporting it might in some small way prompt the devs to waste time on it) It seems rather anachronous to a development timeline to want this next, or even in the near future.

For media interaction to work (and not just be an exercise in clicking a button saying
"The lads done good" or whatever; would involve intricate behaviour modelling of players, fans and management. So that the effects of selecting

"It was a match of two Innings" or

"We are as sick as parrots" is just clicking a button with no purpose. And if time were to be spent on really modelling that, I can think of ooohhh about 50 things more important that this game lacks

As for Cyril saying we cant exepct it to turn into FM overnight..I almost choked on my coffee

"Overnight ?"..How about make some sort of gameplay progress in 12 years? ..just some..just a bit(as opposed to database updates and graphical tweaks).

I know I drone on about it, but as someone who has ICC, ICC2, ICC2000 ICC Ashes, ICC2002, ICC2005, ICC2006, ICC3 and ICC2008, i would like occasionally while playing to think that I was playing a different game with more depth and scope. ( Admittedly ICC needed 6 patches) but after that it was pretty much the same to play, and certainly had the exact same mechanics as ICC2008.
Now Chris might say "No, it's very different" and under the hood I'm sure it is, but from my perspective playing it, it's so close as to not be worth the argument

After 11 years I'm not asking for FM, just a REAL ICC2 with real GAMEPLAY improvements would be nice

I will make a sizeable bet that this latest version will not be it.

After 4 hours play you'll forget that your not playing ICC (or at least ICC3 if you bother to watch the highlights - they now take so much immersion from the game I have the no highlights option on for any 3d version of this game)

But it's a cricket game, I will support it (by buying it) and continue to live in (so far fruitless) hope.


Scritty

[wilkiburger]

More detailed coaching would be great, but media interaction is something that even FM only put in a couple of years ago and would be way way down on my list (if on it at all).

I can't select that one, because I support one half of the option but couldn't care less about the other (and think supporting it might in some small way prompt the devs to waste time on it) It seems rather anachronous to a development timeline to want this next, or even in the near future.

For media interaction to work (and not just be an exercise in clicking a button saying
"The lads done good" or whatever; would involve intricate behaviour modelling of players, fans and management. So that the effects of selecting

"It was a match of two Innings" or

"We are as sick as parrots" is just clicking a button with no purpose. And if time were to be spent on really modelling that, I can think of ooohhh about 50 things more important that this game lacks

As for Cyril saying we cant exepct it to turn into FM overnight..I almost choked on my coffee

"Overnight ?"..How about make some sort of gameplay progress in 12 years? ..just some..just a bit(as opposed to database updates and graphical tweaks).

I know I drone on about it, but as someone who has ICC, ICC2, ICC2000 ICC Ashes, ICC2002, ICC2005, ICC2006, ICC3 and ICC2008, i would like occasionally while playing to think that I was playing a different game with more depth and scope. ( Admittedly ICC needed 6 patches) but after that it was pretty much the same to play, and certainly had the exact same mechanics as ICC2008.
Now Chris might say "No, it's very different" and under the hood I'm sure it is, but from my perspective playing it, it's so close as to not be worth the argument

After 11 years I'm not asking for FM, just a REAL ICC2 with real GAMEPLAY improvements would be nice

I will make a sizeable bet that this latest version will not be it.

After 4 hours play you'll forget that your not playing ICC (or at least ICC3 if you bother to watch the highlights - they now take so much immersion from the game I have the no highlights option on for any 3d version of this game)

But it's a cricket game, I will support it (by buying it) and continue to live in (so far fruitless) hope.


Scritty

Hear hear, and I can honestly say that unless the records section has been revamped I will not be buying it. I ran out of pencils keeping records of my top batting and bowling performances agaist different teams, stats, stats stats! thats what I want!

[Typical Stroke]

i am totally agree with u that we want stats

[squired]

In the end cricket is a statistics game, so the one thing that definitely needs to be expanded is the records information. Going back to beat records is part of what makes doing the game fun - in my case I end up keeping them in my own spreadsheet, which can be annoying sometimes.

[Scritty]

In the end cricket is a statistics game, so the one thing that definitely needs to be expanded is the records information. Going back to beat records is part of what makes doing the game fun - in my case I end up keeping them in my own spreadsheet, which can be annoying sometimes.

Really pleased that I seem to have struck a chord here. Cricket without stats is like...well a cup of tea without milk .....or hot water...or a tea bag. For many none players cricket IS stats, and without them many people would lose interest in the game to some degree.

I actually keep old save games with favourite players in, so I can look at their stats. Because once they have retired (unless they have a partnership record somewhere) that's it..gone.

Also stats have daft restrictions. I have a spin bowler who is now 39 and in their 21st (or maybe even 22nd) season. They have now played over 150 tests and close to 500 first class games. Many of the stats have reset to zero (5 wicket innings, wickets etc)

In case you are wondering, that is WELL over 1000 test wickets, often bowls 70+ overs a match, and regularly takes half the wickets in a match, in fact almost always, years ago I had 2 of these "superspinners" but together they cost almost 1/4 million to keep, so I had to let one go.

So overall, I totally agree. (oops split infinitive) This (while not a gameplay improvement ) is in my top 3.

Cricket is a stats game, and ICC needs a LOT more, it needs them to last longer, and not to flake out under stress (I was going to say not to flake out under boundary conditions, but this is a cricket game, and thought that might cause confusion :confused: )

I would like every first class player who has played in the last say 50 years to have a full stats history. In addition the top 100 or 200 to be kept permanently in many categories (No of wickets / runs / hundreds / 50's / catches / stumpings / appearances / capped dates etc etc..) categorized by FC games, List A OD's, Tests, ODI's, Twenty20 Domestics, Twenty20 Internationals et al

In addition every international player for the users home team and every player for the users own domestic team (if applicable) to be kept permanently

This would mean a much bigger database after say 150 years simming, but hey most computers come with more RAM and HDD space than you can shake a stick at, and properly keyed, this shouldn't take more than a few hundred bytes per player ( a couple of K at most)..50,000 players...50 Megs... so what ?
That's a 12 minute download of the new Star Trek trailer that is so small you lose it in your "My Documents" folder.

If we could have this, placeholders for own own BMP's, more sixes (still struggling to get any sometimes in 20/20's on easy pitches and small grounds) and a couple of gameplay tweaks, I for one would see that as a step in the right direction. Not the full monty by any means, but a step none the less.

Too late for 2009 I suppose, but let's see what 2010 (or whatever) brings.


Scritty

[matador04]

I agree entirely Scritty. I have played ICC for years because of the limited stats it does have. If these were expanded it would be fantastic.

Something simply like breaking a player's history down into season by season stats would be a huge improvement.

[wilkiburger]

In the end cricket is a statistics game, so the one thing that definitely needs to be expanded is the records information. Going back to beat records is part of what makes doing the game fun - in my case I end up keeping them in my own spreadsheet, which can be annoying sometimes.

You are very lucky to know how to use a spreadsheet!, I had to enter them in pencil lightly then erase trhem when they were beaten, bearing in mind I kept top 20 it was a lot of rubbing out!

[Typical Stroke]

i store all my records in MS Office and i record top 10 only

[Cyril Washbrook]

As for Cyril saying we cant exepct it to turn into FM overnight..I almost choked on my coffee

"Overnight ?"..How about make some sort of gameplay progress in 12 years? ..just some..just a bit(as opposed to database updates and graphical tweaks).
No, you're addressing a different anxiety to the one I was addressing in my post. My response was directly to the idea of media interaction, and driven by the opinion that such desires are motivated by cross-paradigm interactions - i.e. people playing a different game and demanding that such features be transplanted into another. (I use "demanding" advisedly, in light of some posts broadly suggesting that such and such person has bought every game for the last 10 years and if the next version doesn't introduce new game menu music or fifth division cricket leagues from Burkina Faso, they'll withhold their purchasing power.) Naturally, however, I support advancements in the mechanisms and features within the game, and I've stated in the past my belief that improved stats management, among other things, would be a welcome part of any new game.

[Scritty]

My response was directly to the idea of media interaction, and driven by the opinion that such desires are motivated by cross-paradigm interactions - i.e. people playing a different game and demanding that such features be transplanted into another.


Gotcha, and I agree.

I am not really looking for specific advancements.
Whilst acknowledging the fact that I, like anyone else, have a "preferrd new feature" list, I would be glad to see some proper gameplay impovements.

The game simply no longer offers the depth to be challenging.

I read people complaining about sequels in various genre's (or even paradigm's ;) ) and often saying "It's the same as the last version.

But given the hours and hours I play ICC (well 2002, but I have every iteration of the game) I think I can honestly say that 2008 feels exactly the same to play as original ICC (patched).
Yes the graphics are a little differently organised, there is 3D (an immersion killer IMO) and the database is up to date with the current fixtures, formats and teams but what else ?

Seriously , what else ? A minor coaching tweak (and let's face it, it really just seems to make the old system a little more opaque rather than do anything new) , and you now get regens mid-season

The data update is a feature that is a patch in most games, the match screen rejigs are neither here-nor-there, and the 3D, well I admit that most seem to like it, so I'll have to swallow that.

Gameplay wise, very little. If fairly comparing it to small development team text based sports sims it has always done well on stability and "core design"

It plays well, and what features there are perform as you would expect.

But that was true 12 years ago.What are we buying 2009 for ? What has it got that 2008 didn't have ?

I really want this game to succeed long term, but if 2009 is another 2008 with a data patch then I think it's time has gone. Other games will take over the text based cricket sim mantle, and let's be fair, probably deserve to.


Scritty

[wilkiburger]

Gotcha, and I agree.

I am not really looking for specific advancements.
Whilst acknowledging the fact that I, like anyone else, have a "preferrd new feature" list, I would be glad to see some proper gameplay impovements.

The game simply no longer offers the depth to be challenging.

I read people complaining about sequels in various genre's (or even paradigm's ;) ) and often saying "It's the same as the last version.

But given the hours and hours I play ICC (well 2002, but I have every iteration of the game) I think I can honestly say that 2008 feels exactly the same to play as original ICC (patched).
Yes the graphics are a little differently organised, there is 3D (an immersion killer IMO) and the database is up to date with the current fixtures, formats and teams but what else ?

Seriously , what else ? A minor coaching tweak (and let's face it, it really just seems to make the old system a little more opaque rather than do anything new) , and you now get regens mid-season

The data update is a feature that is a patch in most games, the match screen rejigs are neither here-nor-there, and the 3D, well I admit that most seem to like it, so I'll have to swallow that.

Gameplay wise, very little. If fairly comparing it to small development team text based sports sims it has always done well on stability and "core design"

It plays well, and what features there are perform as you would expect.

But that was true 12 years ago.What are we buying 2009 for ? What has it got that 2008 didn't have ?

I really want this game to succeed long term, but if 2009 is another 2008 with a data patch then I think it's time has gone. Other games will take over the text based cricket sim mantle, and let's be fair, probably deserve to.


Scritty

I hope this has not fallen on deaf ears!, I would pay £50 maybe more dor a game that when I opened it up felt like I was relaxing on the pan with my Wisden!

You have hiot the nail on the head. What is different over the last ten years. I mean is that how long it has been?. Oh i forgot we had the 20/20! but then how many 6's did your batsmen hit!?

I am a loyal follower and you know I probably will buy this version, but I can't help but think that there must be a decent game out there somewhere!.

Not to plug another game but ))TP baseball is awesome for realism and stats.

Come on boys give us a game!

[str]

Media is not interested in cricket that much . It' not an easy thing to do .

[Scritty]

Media is not interested in cricket that much . It' not an easy thing to do .

I agree

The media is very hard. You need to bring in AI public/managers/team mates and model their reactions dependent on how and when you expose yourself to the media.

That AI modelling - to work effectively - is a massively complex task, and seems quite a way outside the remit of actually playing cricket.

So much of the core game needs "infilling" with missing detail and structure, that to start adding logical spurs such as media would seem well out of place at the moment.

Regards

Paul Clarke

[mclaren007]

ok, iknow that this year wont have any media interaction may next year, or next next year....i can wait for it,it cant be never