Icc 2009

[Typical Stroke]

i am playing the game since 2001 and it is my favourite game. i like statistics and each time when new game release its disspointed me because nothing change in stats And records books now I am waiting for ICC 2009 and hoping for more stats this time. lets see whats happend this time. any news and update about its release date?

[mclaren007]

i too wanted to see record book in icc

they should take statsguru

[Typical Stroke]

stats guru yes it will be a great addition to the game

[wilkiburger]

i am playing the game since 2001 and it is my favourite game. i like statistics and each time when new game release its disspointed me because nothing change in stats And records books now I am waiting for ICC 2009 and hoping for more stats this time. lets see whats happend this time. any news and update about its release date?

This is without question the most important thing ever!, I cannot say it enough, I want a little cricket playfair album when I play. Records v every county, top scores v every county fastest 100's etc it goes on and on!!!!

[nikjagger]

cud'nt agree more wit u ppl...i ve been playin this since 2002 n everytime a new version gets released i just keep hopin that ther will be more records 2 set n break...cuz tats all tat matters...u might go on playin ur game ofr around 50 seasons but thers no piont 2 it if the records tat we keep on breakin goes unaccounted for...sopls i hope ther may be a considerable upgrade to this feature..!!

[squired]

For me the game could be pretty much unchanged, but have detailed records to break. Going back trying to break old records is what makes each new season most interesting to me.

[wilkiburger]

For me the game could be pretty much unchanged, but have detailed records to break. Going back trying to break old records is what makes each new season most interesting to me.

I would be more than satisfied with this too

[Scritty]

I'm not too far off this either.
The long term challenge is to improve.

But unless you take a pen and paper and write it all down, you can't do this.

I would like more than this (balanced 6's, some better balancing issues)

The balancing issues are worth mentioning, these aren't "new features" they are just balancing.

1) 6's - more of them in OD, 20/20

2)Training rejig. Little things here. The ability to "save" standard training regimes. When a couple of players are away on international duty it's a pain to have to remember to put the training points back on them - or rijig the ones you have, every time they go away or come back. Esspecially with skill training in young players.

3)International selection. A few things here. Players availability. Players are often NOT playing for their counties even when there is no international cricket. Bowlers in particular are rested. effectively, they are being paid IN FULL by the ECB (or whatever board it might be) and you just get them for the odd game (usually early season, or to keep them in form during longer breaks) Harsh ? Yes, but that is what happens in real life.

4) Allrounders. In all ICC games allrounders are pretty much useless. Yes the "sum" of their parts seems often ok, but in reality, once the "real" ones have retired, none of the regens are worth a place in the side.

No Kallis replacements come (guys who can be world No1 batter for years AND take wickets at under 30 in tests) No Flintoffs (opposite of Kallis in terms of batting and bowling) Johnson's, Afridi's, Dhoni's, Gilchrist's..even Bravo's

None of them ever seem to crop up as regens. You get guys who are just about worth a look in one discipline, and really only useful in emergencies in the other.

I've read elsewhere in these forums that this is because these players would upset the balance of the game.

Yes - that's right..they would, that's what they do in real life. Good thing too.

They are the icons that young cricketers look up to. Botham's, Hadlee's, Imran's, Kapil's. They DID change the balance of the game IN REAL LIFE..they WERE WORTH MORE THAN 1 PLAYER.

That is the whole point !


They should be very rare (once per "generation" per country maximum really) but they should exist.

Ask any group of knowledgeable cricket fans to name their 20 favourite cricketers of the last 30+ years and these guys above would be on most lists.

I'm including the keeping allrounders,

In many years of playing literally hundreds of seasons i've seen none in ICC once the original players have gone. I play the odd allrounder in one dayers, but they are more "bits and pieces" players, and there purely to have the required 5 bowlers. I never play an allrounder in first class and tests once the originals are gone, they just aren't good enough.


Scritty

[Imager36]

I have a wicketkeeper who I open with who averages over 50 in FC, over 45 in TM and over 40 in OD, is that the kind of thing you are talking about?

[Scritty]

Yes that's close.
The closest I've got is a similar player. Bats 52 and bowls about 38.
Not an allrounder though. However I noticed after one season that the CPU kept bowling him when I was short of bowlers and away on England duty.

I carried on, and he did ok.

But just ok.

In ICC2002 i've had the odd good keeper (more Matt Prior than Adam Gilchrist....more Ian Healy than Dhoni etc)


I can "massage" a batsman into having decent bowling figures (bowling one of these guys against tail enders only)

No real point in doing that though (it would be fun if there was a transfer market, and people bought based on averages - you could really manipulate the system by doing this)

I would love a real Botham or Imran (or Sir Gary, or Kapil, or Flintoff or Mcullum, or Afridi........)
The figures you mention are as good as I've got.

Stephen Davies (Worcs) averages about 44 in tests in ICC2008, but over 30 seasons later on no-one else has come close to that. (for any team in the game - and obviously he's not a regen).

Scritty

[Cyril Washbrook]

I'd go the other way and say that there are too many good all-rounders in the game. I've seen literally dozens county cricketers averaging 40 with the bat and sub-30 with the ball. It's almost obscene that they don't get picked for England despite performing to a high standard. Instead, I see (for instance) batsmen who play 40-50 tests without scoring a single century.

[Scritty]

I'd go the other way and say that there are too many good all-rounders in the game. I've seen literally dozens county cricketers averaging 40 with the bat and sub-30 with the ball. It's almost obscene that they don't get picked for England despite performing to a high standard. Instead, I see (for instance) batsmen who play 40-50 tests without scoring a single century.


That's really strange. I have none (and no county in my game has any) players that are as you describe in 2008.

I'll admit it's a bit better than 2002 for player balance, I had many batters averaging in the 80's at retirement, and spin bowlers averaging around 16 (seamers for some reason struggled to get under20).

At age 28-30 i have several players in ICC2002 averaging over 100 in tests, however this will drop as they play into their 30's, and they will probably finish in the high 80's. So i'm yet to get a Bradman, never mind beat a Bradman :)

Good allrounders (as opposed to cannon fodder and rabbits) ?

In 2008 there are none (i'm in 2042) England pick none, I have none, and no county has any. No touring team has any, and looking through the internationals, I can find none.

In fact only Pakistan play an allrounder at all, and he bats 33.27 and bowls 41.40.

Sussex at the momenet has 4 allrounders but they are are really awful, one is 31 and has played less than 50 games of any type in his entire career (looks like he was 20, so less than 5 games a year, none last year)

Bearing in mind that I don't pick or train players for other counties, I thought this supported my idea that none existed (or were being generated) perhaps there is another reason.

Luck ? Maybe, but you have so many and I have none (and I do look for them - I really want them) so that's not that likely.

Patch ? I play with the patch, would that make a difference. Some balancing issues are mentioned on the patch info so maybe.

System ? Windows programming applications (C++, Java, VB etc) all seem to use the system clock as a trigger for RNG's I think that most hardware and OS do this. Should be pretty foolproof

So in short I don't know.

I do know that I would like some.

However, your comment suggest that the CPU teams don't tend to pick appropriately even when they do exist, so some work needs to be done there. Balancing again I feel.

:)

Regards


Scritty

[Oxslow]

Is this the sort of all rounder you mean? Max Vernon (http://www.oxslow.plus.com/icc2008/max_vernon.jpg) he is a bowling all rounder. I only manage Somerset and not England so that I can not manipulate his test stats.

I think in my game the balance for all rounders in my game is pretty good

[Scritty]

Is this the sort of all rounder you mean? Max Vernon (http://www.oxslow.plus.com/icc2008/max_vernon.jpg) he is a bowling all rounder. I only manage Somerset and not England so that I can not manipulate his test stats.

I think in my game the balance for all rounders in my game is pretty good

Close but not really, a test batting average of 25 is definately what I mean by "bits and pieces" the players I'm really on about are test quality.

Kallis, test batting 49.79 Batting, 31.44 Bowling. He potentially could be picked as a specialist in either department

Botham, (at his prime) had a test average in the high 30's and a bowling average in the low 20's..the same applies.

Max Vernon (although a star in normal FC games) is more your Shane Warne (admittedly OS not LS) A great bowler (excellent stats for a spinner) but you wouldn't want him in your top 6 batmen as a regular. More like a solid 8 or a make-do 7 for me.

Great player though, thanks for the pic :)

Regards

Scritty

[Oxslow]

I have done a bit of research in my game and you are right Scritty. There are 2 all-rounders playing for England. and there is only 1 more that is playing international for the other countries. The problem he has that he is a good bowler but a first class average for batting is under 10.

So I cant be sure but I doubt in the future that there will only be 3 players playing international cricket.