Database Errors Thread

[aus5892]

Here you can report any database errors you have found, to be fixed in future updates.

One that I can report is that Andrew Johns appears for New South Wales - he was a Rugby League player who played a couple of Twenty20 games for fun, but he isn't an actual cricketer.

[MarksNotts]

Heres my Notts observations :
1) Simon Francis was released by notts last season, not sure where he is now.
2) Bilal Shafayat is reserve wicket keeper at Notts, and has kept many times before.
3) Darren Pattinson is not Kolpack, he was born in Grimsby and is English. He is also very underated in ICC2008, he is currently Notts leading wicket taker in the championship with 20wkts at 20.55 a piece including two 5wi hauls.
4) Andrew Harris(AJ)is a RFM bowler not RM.
5) Notts only have 2 kolpack players(how refreshing) Chris cairns and Andre Adams and they are for 20/20 only

Hope this helps.

[Sureshot]

Iain O'Brien is down as a RM, he was bowling at low-mid 80s during the Test(s) he played against England. Also, Billy Godleman should be down as an opener.

[muhammad saad]

Missing upcoming Pakistani bowler named Muhammad Amir who was the part of Pak U19 team in the worldcup but couldnt play becuz of some injury.

http://www.pcb.com.pk/Pakistan/Players/85/85002/85002.html

Highly talented bowler clocking 87mph in just an early age of 16.


Another thing is Ahmed Shehzad (age :16) who is considered to be the next big thing coming from Pakistan(batting wise) is just a worse batsman in the game and he is considered only as a batsman despite a fact he is a very good leg spinner with variety.(although primarily as a opening batsman but with Afridisque bowling).

[zMario]

Missing upcoming Pakistani bowler named Muhammad Amir who was the part of Pak U19 team in the worldcup but couldnt play becuz of some injury.

http://www.pcb.com.pk/Pakistan/Players/85/85002/85002.html

Highly talented bowler clocking 87mph in just an early age of 16.


Another thing is Ahmed Shehzad (age :16) who is considered to be the next big thing coming from Pakistan(batting wise) is just a worse batsman in the game and he is considered only as a batsman despite a fact he is a very good leg spinner with variety.(although primarily as a opening batsman but with Afridisque bowling).
Amir hasn't played First Class Cricket, so thats why he's not in the game.

Same for Ahmed Shehzad.

Also, to correct facts, he didn't clock 87mph at 16, but it was actually 81mph at 16, which is still quite impressive

[hilly18]

Richard Pryah of Yorkshire.

Game says he's an opening batsman, but if you look at Yorkshires games this year he has been batting at number 9, and is first change bowler.

[Cymro]

Glamorgan:


Will Owen is a bowler and not an allrounder
Ben Wright is not an openin batsman, bats middle order
Kyle Tudge is just a bowler and not an allrounder
David Harrison has missing player data (averages)
Gareth Rees is an opening batsman
Ryan Watkins is an allrounder / bowler
Michael Powell is not an opening batsman
David Hemp should be down as an opener
Herschele Gibbs is with Glamorgan


Other Counties:


Tyron Henderson is missing from Middlesex roster
Hamish Marshall is not a wicketkeeper
Jacques Du Toit has no player data (averages)
Jermaine Lawson should be down as a Kolpak player
Van Der Wath is missing from Northamptonshire
Omari Banks should be down as a Kolpak player
Shaun Pollock needs to be added as a Kolpak player for Durham

[muhammad saad]

Amir hasn't played First Class Cricket, so thats why he's not in the game.

Same for Ahmed Shehzad.

Also, to correct facts, he didn't clock 87mph at 16, but it was actually 81mph at 16, which is still quite impressive

it was 86mph in England vs England and at that time he was 15 not 16. Recently he clocked 87mph.

[muhammad saad]

if you dont believe it I can quote you to the forums with video proof but then it will be called advertising.

[Sureshot]

Really, it's irrelevant to the discussion. They aren't in the game because they haven't played FC Cricket.

[aus5892]

Cullen Bailey is listed ingame as an opening batsmen, when he is a pure spin bowler.

[Mongrel]

I'll look through the Australian database for errors.


Phil Hughes should be an opening batsman. Also could be listed as a part-time keeper.
Darren Lehmann has retired.
Michael Bevan has retired.
Maybe make Hussey a pure middle order bat? I don't see him opening for Australia again barring mid-game injuries (maybe a possibility of adding an option of "part time opener" much like part-time keeper when an opener injures himself mid-game?)
Luke Pomersbach is not an opening batsman.
Justin Langer no longer plays domestic cricket or international in Australia.
Greg Blewett has retired.
Usman Khawaja should be an opening batsman.
Liam Davis should be an opening batsman.
Travis Birt rarely opens these days - if Cosgrove is a middle order batsman, Birt is as well.
Darren Wates has retired.
Brad Hogg has retired from international cricket (I think state as well).
Steve Smith should be an all-rounder.
Aiden Blizzard should be "very aggressive" or at least "aggressive".
Brendan Nash is now qualified for the West Indies and doesn't play for QLD.
Lloyd Mash should be an opener.
Cameron Borgas should be a middle order batsman.
For some reason Mitchell Johnson bats above Brad Haddin?
Nathan Adcock is not an opening batsman.
Daniel Harris should be an opening batsman.
Beau Casson should be a chinaman not left-arm orthodox. I suppose there isn't an option for chinaman as the same thing happens for Hogg, Katich and Dave Mohammed? He's probably good enough to be classified as an all-rounder, but each to their own.
Peter Worthington has retired.
Jason Gillespie has retired from Australian cricket.
Shawn Gillies should be an all-rounder.
Mick Lewis has retired.
Scott Coyte probably shouldn't be an all-rounder from what I've seen of him.
Matty Inness has retired.
Allan Wise now plays for Tasmania.


All of this would be a lot easier with a data editor, but I can dream. :p

[AlexB]

Leicestershire notes

Harry Gurney is a fast bowler, but appears in my game as a batsman
Jim Allenby is an all-rounder, not an opening bat
Boeta Dippenaar is down as a batsman/wicket keeper (this might be right I guess, but it's the first time I've heard of him as a WK)

[Mongrel]

Leicestershire notes

Harry Gurney is a fast bowler, but appears in my game as a batsman
Jim Allenby is an all-rounder, not an opening bat
Boeta Dippenaar is down as a batsman/wicket keeper (this might be right I guess, but it's the first time I've heard of him as a WK)

He apparently filled in for Boucher as keeper for one ODI against Sri Lanka in 2002 so I suppose that's right.

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/66341.html

[Wildwil]

Ok I've got a couple of things to lay down regarding South Africa.

1. Dale Steyn never takes a wicket(his bowling needs to be improved).
2. Thandi Tshabalala is a good off spin bowler and not a batsman, you guys have said he is a batsman from 2006 version.
3.Albie Morkel is an aggresive batsman, not defensive like you guys say.(look at how he batted in the IPL).
4.Pieter Malan is not a defensive batsman, he is aggresive.
5. Francious du Plessis is an all rounder that bowl leg spin and opens the batting.
6. Why is Sybrand Engelbrecht not in the game, look at the cape cobras' website he is there(http://www.capecobras.co.za)
7. Boeta Dippenaar never keeps
8. Dean Elgar is also not defensive just normal

[Ayub95]

Sussex

DR Smith should be with Sussex
Colleymore should be as well
Wright should be in the starting lineup
Harris does not play for them

New Zealand

Mills is not RM
Oram should and Mills should be RFM at Least

[Cottager]

couple of small ones, I've barely played it so far really. but nathan bracken should be blond and I'm fairly sure michael clarke is turning the ball the wrong way

[Sureshot]

Sussex

DR Smith should be with Sussex
Colleymore should be as well
Wright should be in the starting lineup
Harris does not play for them

New Zealand

Mills is not RM
Oram should and Mills should be RFM at Least

Both Smith and Collymore were fairly recent additions. If they kept bang up to date rosters, they would probably never get the game released, as new signings happen all the time. I'd have Oram down as RMF, similar pace to Hoggard.

[muhammad saad]

Abdul Ameer is a LMF bowler instead a batsman ,Ammar Mahmood is a batman not a bowler.

PAK Database.

[Ayub95]

And how can Ishant Sharma be RM when is clocking 90 MPH

[manner]

yuvraj singh is defensive(how can he hit six sixes in one over and be defensive) and irfan pathan too is defensive.A lot of indian bowlers are clased as RM or RMF bowlers.Surely some of them are faster than that.But they have been some improvements.;)

[HampshireJames]

Hampshire

Greg Lamb is a RM in game but is a good OS
Ervine should be an all rounder
Tomlinson should be LFM

Others

Yasir Arafat should be RFM
Simon Marshall from Lancashire is just a Leg Spinner, not a batsman
Steven Crook should be all rounder

[northants4life]

No hall for Northants
No Van Der Wrath for Northants
Steven crook is an all rounder

[KentLad]

Marlon Samuels is banned for 2 years!
Sewnarine Chattergoon should be an opener
Andre Fletcher should be made better and more aggressive and just a middle order batsmen - not a keeper

[russell]

Essex:
-Bopara is an allrounder batsman with medium pace bowling like you have.
-Naiper is an ultra aggressive batsman so aggressive he only plays in one day and twenty 20 games

Thanks I also agree that an editor would be a great addition to the game.

[Typical Stroke]

Shoaib Malik is a all-rounder not a bowler

[sal02]

there is no asia cup and champions trouphy in this game why????????:mad::mad:

[HampshireJames]

there is no asia cup and champions trouphy in this game why????????:mad::mad:

if they tried to keep up with all upcoming tournaments the game would never be released, look out for things that they can change, i.e database, like th thread suggests

[aus5892]

There is no license for all of the tournaments, the World Cup is the only one that they could get. In the future, this may become a possibility.

[MarksNotts]

Just to add to my Notts squad observations, it was revealed yesterday that David Hussey is will not be playing for Notts this season at all due to IPL and Australia commitments, so Adam Voges will continue to be Notts overseas player for the whole of the season.
Oh and Bilal shafayat is a part time wicket keeper.

[Chris Child]

Keep these coming. Please check and try not to repeat too much. I'm looking into new methods for patching the database without having to patch the main game. It should be possible. All these suggestions will also make sure next year's database is accurate.

It's great to have an active forum again so we can get these things right.

[shravi]

For India, Ali Murtaza isn't a LM bowler. He's a SLA bowler.

[aus5892]

Some more Australian issues:

Greg Blewett has retired from all forms of cricket.
Brad Hogg has retired from international cricket, I'm not sure whether he is still at WA but it's not important since WA aren't playable ingame, he should be removed.
Justin Langer is now retired completely I believe, but even if he isn't the same as above.
Jonathan Moss is no longer contracted by any state, although I believe he still plays grade cricket in Sydney. Probably a removal there.
Lloyd Mash is an opening batsman.
Ashley Noffke is an all-rounder.
Michael Klinger now plays for South Australia.
Robert Quiney is an opening batsman.
Moises Henriques is an all-rounder.
Gerard Denton now plays for Tasmania.
Michael Lewis has retired from all forms of cricket.

[HampshireJames]

just noticed that David Harrison of Glamorgan has no Statistics ?
or is it just me ?

[Cymro]

just noticed that David Harrison of Glamorgan has no Statistics ?
or is it just me ?

Ive mentioned that!

[Agent47]

Sachin Tendulkar is a leg spinner.
In the team records page for India, Anil kumble's 10-74 has not been mentioned as the best bowling figures for India.
Yuvraj Singh is classified as a defensive player!!! (He did not hit those 6 sixes in an over to be categorized as defensive!!!)

[_ed_]

One that troubles me the most is that Manjural Islam (Q.Islam in the game) was killed in a car accident last year.

The NZ players are mostly pretty accurate though, which is great considering the number of players involved. Great stuff. :)

[KentLad]

Apologies for any duplicates:

Alex Blake should still be in the Kent squad
Yasir Arafat should be aggressive not defensive
Darren Stevens should definitely be aggressive
Fraser Quarterman is not English - should be NZ
Ian Bradshaw of WI has retired
Ryan Harris should not be at Sussex and not a Kolpak as he didn't join them in the end
Graham Napier should be VERY aggressive!
Darren Pattinson should be English not Kolpak as he's just been selected in the 30 man squad to Champions Trophy
Luke Ronchi should be aggressive
Brendon Nash is now West Indian not Aussie
Cullen Bailey is a bowler not an opening bat
Stu MacGill and Brad Hogg have both retired

[russell]

Another thing with Napier is that his bowling should be no longer RM as over the winter along with his batting he worked on improving his speed which is now top 80's ( usually 88mph ) so i'd think he should now be RFM and he is a good bowler better at bowling than batting if you ask me.

[HampshireJames]

Another thing with Napier is that his bowling should be no longer RM as over the winter along with his batting he worked on improving his speed which is now top 80's ( usually 88mph ) so i'd think he should now be RFM and he is a good bowler better at bowling than batting if you ask me.

true, but he never seems to bowl in most of the games i play against him

[russell]

The thing with Napier is that before this season he was still normally only used by essex in one day games mainly for his bowling but last winter he climbed everest and was at a special fitness centre in new zealand which seems to have helped him a lot turing him into a great allrounder and making is now pace bowling great.

so that would proberly be why his skill was under estimated on the game i think.

[wardog]

Gareth Berg should be an all rounder rather than a bowler
Dawid Malan isn't a kolpak because he was born in england
Dirk Nannes isn't a kolpak because he is playing for Middlesex on a Dutch passport.

[Themer]

Sussex always play against the MCC at the begining of the season even though they havent won the county championship

[Cymro]

Gareth Berg should be an all rounder rather than a bowler
Dawid Malan isn't a kolpak because he was born in england
Dirk Nannes isn't a kolpak because he is playing for Middlesex on a Dutch passport.

Nannes is a Kolpak, he is Australian but holds a Dutch passport!

Malan is not a Kolpak in the game!

[surreyforever]

Laurie Evans of Surrey is listed as a bowler when he should be a batsman

[haq88]

There's 2 Rana Naved's in my game. One is a Bowler only and the other is a All-rounder! Pakistan Squad.

[fenwickcc]

A few issues after briefly playing the game.........

Players such as Phil Mustard, Luke Wright are not getting into the Durham and Sussex first teams and when they do they fail to score big runs or perform well. This is unrealistic as they are on the fringes of England selction and should perform better. Also players who would never play for England are being selcted for them.

It is difficult to score at high run rates and scores in Twenty 20 Cricket are unrealistic as they rarely reach 150 even when they only lose 1 wicket. This I feel is a big problem.

And also international squads........... You can only select 1 squad of 18 for a tour (surely there should be 2 separate squads for test and odi cricket) considering players in england test team such as vaughan, strauss, cook, ambrose, monty are not in the odi setup.

lastly I think there should be a central copntracts system to give more control over certain county games and things.

[aus5892]

This is for database errors only, so please post this in a features request thread.

[Nivoleum]

All the Sri Lankan players have their initials as their first names, not their preferred names. For example, it would read L Silva in game, then Chamara Silva in the player profile screen.

[fenwickcc]

For Yorkshire..........

Tim Bresnan is down as just a bowler not all-rounder unlike Rana- Naved who is down as an all-rounder. Tim Bresnan is clearly more of an allrounder than rana as he has scored several first-class centuries, Rana however I would class a just a bowler.


Pyrah again is down as an opener although in reality he is a medium paced seamer who bats in the lower order for the one dayers and twenty20.

I think that the abilities of upcoming England players is under rated with players such as Mustard, Luke Wright, Mascarenhas and Bopara failing to score a hundred between them in the only season I played (on the trial game) and at times not even being selected for their counties.

[KentLad]

From playing a full county season, I have found the following:

Ryan Watkins of Glamorgan is far too good - averaged about 70 for the season!
Neil Dexter of Kent is also far too good - England picked him even though I rarely selected him for Kent.
James Goodman and Alex Blake should both be at Kent (not just available to buy at start of game)
David Wainwright of Yorkshire is mainly a bowler, not an all-rounder and he averaged over 40 with the bat - should reduce his batting skill.
Naqqash Tahir of Warwicks is far too good - took about 90 wickets!
Adam Shantry of Glamorgan is too good - gets selected by England
Michael Munday of Somerset is still far too good (as in previous versions) took about 80 odd wickets
Saqlain Mushtaq - difficult one- prob not too good (took about 65 wickets) but gets selected by England - any way to make him slightly worse?!
Mark Davies (A Davies) of Durham is again far too good and always gets in the England squad.

[Arunava]

Ishant Sharma is just RFM when he is RF and doesn't develop well enough.

[GrahamB]

Ishant Sharma is just RFM when he is RF and doesn't develop well enough.

You do realise that in this game RMF is faster than RFM, don't you?

[IndiaWarrior]

How u know tat RMF are faster then RFM?

[DonaldC]

Sorry if this has already been mentioned but Andy Flintoff is far too expensive. He often goes for 4+ runs an over in tests and is always one of my most expensive bowlers in ODIs. I also think he is not good enough, but this might be something to do with his economy rate.

The other major problem I've noticed in all ICCs is that bowlers lose form a lot easier than batsman. It is very hard to maintain a bowler at decent form without giving them some 2nd XI cricket every few matches, whereas batsman just require a couple of above average scores to have good form.

[GrahamB]

How u know tat RMF are faster then RFM?

It's common knowledge to those of us who've been around for a long while playing ICC and have been involved in ICC forums.

[Arunava]

You do realise that in this game RMF is faster than RFM, don't you?

perhaps yes i didn't realise that. can you explain how would you put a bowler who @ 19 yrs bowls at 138-150 kmph. how wud he develop. what are the chances he will slow down and what are the chances he maintains this or raises 1 or 2 km's

also how would you categorise this speed . ..RFM or RF / FM or F

- i might not be participating in this or other forums for years. .but what i've realised is that RF will get bowled out more often . .that is beaten by pace instead or RFM

also. .this guy doesn't develop as well as he should.

[GrahamB]

perhaps yes i didn't realise that. can you explain how would you put a bowler who @ 19 yrs bowls at 138-150 kmph. how wud he develop. what are the chances he will slow down and what are the chances he maintains this or raises 1 or 2 km's

also how would you categorise this speed . ..RFM or RF / FM or F

- i might not be participating in this or other forums for years. .but what i've realised is that RF will get bowled out more often . .that is beaten by pace instead or RFM

also. .this guy doesn't develop as well as he should.

These are questions that Chris would be best to answer for you.

[V1Mark]

Luke Ronchi for Australia needs to be Very Aggressive not just normal

Strike Rate

First Class 88.78
List A 108.26
20/20 163.73
ODI 205.40

[IndiaWarrior]

I have seen how ronchi played for mumbai indians in IPL,he is not too good.

[Manickam]

Some bowlers have taken 10 wicket hauls in ODIs and One Days .

Gautham Gambhir and Robin Uthappa of India are Not WICKET KEEPERS.

Other Players are wicketkeepers but are not in real life.

Records are Wrong for some players.

Please solve this.

[Themer]

Theres already a Database Error Thread. They're releasing an roster update soon where some errors like this will be fixed

[V1Mark]

Ronchi didn't play well in the IPL

But he does have 2 50-odd ball centuries in the Australian one day competition

And just scored 64 from 28 balls batting at 3 in a ODI

[rmt1982]

Darren Pattinson of Nottinghamshire needs his nationality changing to English. He was born in Grimsby, and is a dual national. Having also been called up to the England squad may also have some effect too ;).

[IndiaWarrior]

Entire database files would need to replace if any changes are to made to the roster.

[Manickam]

AC Botha from Ireland His records show he has taken a five for. But his best bowling in a match is 4-42. The next game I played against Ireland He picked 5-68 but this was not reflected in the records. The statistics are very wrong.

[Manickam]

Sreesanth is a RF bowler and he is shown as RM.
Gautham Gambhir and Robin Uthappa are not wicket keeper Batsmen.
MS Dhoni is not a opening Batsman.
Even after a bowler takes a five for it is not reflected in the records.
Some Bowlers have taken 10 for in One Day and ODIS.

[MarksNotts]

These need to go in the "DATABASE ERRORS THREAD" above.

[Themer]

Unless hes added significant pace since last time i saw him bowl Sreesanth isn't fast hes quicker than RM but not fast and I've never seen a Fiver not reflected in the records.

[Manickam]

So what could be the problem for fiver not being reflected

[Manickam]

The RMF run up is longer than RFM . Their balls come a lot faster as their run up is not long.

[Myrmecophaga]

Saqlain Mushtaq is allowed to play for England.

[Mongrel]

Sreesanth is a RF bowler and he is shown as RM.
Gautham Gambhir and Robin Uthappa are not wicket keeper Batsmen.
MS Dhoni is not a opening Batsman.
Even after a bowler takes a five for it is not reflected in the records.
Some Bowlers have taken 10 for in One Day and ODIS.

That is because in the List A and ODI records entered, the ten wicket hauls are actually five wicket hauls and the 5wi are actually four wicket innings. That's been an issue insofar as from thereon, only five wicket hauls are recorded and added to the four wicket hauls.

[Themer]

Saqlain Mushtaq is allowed to play for England.

Mustaq can play for England technically. He isn't going to but he is eligible.

[Myrmecophaga]

Yeah, I suppose, but it is a bit absurd that he is picked even so.

[Sureshot]

Not really. He is as available to England as Darren Pattinson. He has said before that he wants to play for England. The Oval will take spin at the 4th test vs SA, who knows...

[Manickam]

Will this problem be solved???

[Desktop Hoggy]

Errors for Yorkshire

Yorkshire play in Pro40 Division 2, not Division 1
Richard Pyrah is a pace bowler, not an opening batsman
Tim Bresnan is a genuine all rounder, not just a bowler
David Wainwright is just a spinner, not an all rounder
Chris Taylor is an opener
Rana Naved is just a bowler, not an all rounder
The Yorkshire logo has changed to this

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e361/kmkywap/310x620_fitbox-yorkshire_carnegie_l.jpg

[muhammad saad]

Muhammad Amir (from Pakistan) is going to debut in canada in 4 nations T20 so plz include him in the patch

[Chris Child]

The database patch has been delayed because we want to include it with a patch to the main game to correct the bugs on the other thread. We're working hard on these at the moment.

5 wicket innings records are only updated after the match has been completed. Can you check the records again and let me know if it as happened.

[Manickam]

It didn't happen. Another time it worked fine.

[Themer]

Thanks Chris for keeping us updated and for all your hard work.

[MarksNotts]

Gareth Clough has been released by Notts today.

[muhammad saad]

The database patch has been delayed because we want to include it with a patch to the main game to correct the bugs on the other thread. We're working hard on these at the moment.

5 wicket innings records are only updated after the match has been completed. Can you check the records again and let me know if it as happened.

Great to heard that you have been working hard to optimize the game :) Plz make sure that ridiculously low ODIs bowling avgs bug will get fix this time(There are regen bowlers in game the who doesnt even played a single test match yet having 200 plus ODIs wkts averaging in 15-18 which is totally unrealistic) and more high scores in ODis as now 300 is just a fighting total.(Plz no more 70 odd allout 80 allout in next patch)
Thanks again Chris.

[DonaldC]

I think it's been said before, but I'd like to add it again. Flintoff is seriously under-rated as a bowler. His economy rate is usually >5 in OD cricketand >3.5 in FC cricket which, as we all know, is far too expensive when compared to real life. Flintoff should really be one of the best bowlers in the game.

I'd also say that Simon Jones is under-rated, while Adam Shantry is seriously over-rated!

[Sureshot]

Fred averaged nearly 80 with the ball in Tests in the SA and NZ series for me.

Definitely under-valued as a bowler.

[adyhorn]

Hashim Amla is just a batsman, not an opener.

[sir ian bell]

Hi

Might have missed these seen as i only just joined but a few observations, and a couple have been in the past couple of games.

Simon Marshall of lancs is a leg spin bowler not a batter.
Jimmy Anderson should be RFM as should Chris Tremlett and saj mahmood.
Would suggest that Tom Smith is a bit quicker than RM.
Also agree with DonaldC on the flintoff and jones thing. think there a couple of other things but not off the top of me head.

otherwise its a tremendous game, keep up the great work!

[Sureshot]

In the ICC series RMF is faster than RFM.

Edit: You can actually see this on 08. Have a RMF and a RFM on, the RMF looks a bit quicker.

[Manickam]

why is RMF faster than RFM. Please explain this.

[Themer]

Please explain why it is otherwise. I believe they have it the right way around though others have different opinions.

[aus5892]

There is no definitive rule over which is faster, in Australia there's no such thing as RMF, we only use RFM and RF.

This is just the way Chris prefers or is used to.

[qpeedore]

To be frank here, does it really matter?

RMF is faster in the game than RFM. Okay...what's the big deal? Does it affect the ability to take wickets? Does it change the way you play the game?

It shouldn't.

RMF is faster in the game. Compare it with RFM and you'll see. But it's been that way for so long now, what difference does it make? Does speed matter more than averages and economy rates?

[Mongrel]

I'd prefer it to be changed anyway. It looks better seeing a lot of RFM regens than RMF.

I'd also like to see the possibility of more regen batsmen being part-time spinners as too many seem to be medium pacers.

[Themer]

I disagree over the speed thing but there should be alot more part time spin bowlers theres hardly any. All of my batsmen bar two are medium pacers. One of the two is a Legspinner who I use now and again and in emergencies as the 5th bowler in the attack while the other is a RMF who averages 35 with the ball in FC matches.

[adyhorn]

Middlesex have signed Neil Dexter from Kent. They have also signed Neil Carter on loan from Warwickshire until the end of December.